Greetings everyone.
Well, after a lot of time, I think I'm going to weigh in on a couple things here. The first is a divide between nerd groups today, and the second is some of the perceived discrimination that nerd girls experience. The reason I'm addressing both of these at the same time is honestly I think they are connected at the source.
I think that the source of these issues is, simply put, an issue of trust. Until the last roughly 5, maybe up to 10 years, it wasn't cool to be a nerd. Admitting that you liked comic books, going to any sort of pop culture convention, watching Star Trek, reading Star Wars novels, and wearing costumes in particular were signs that you were a social pariah.
We were mocked, some going so far as to consider us unintelligent, with questionable morality. We were ridiculed for being immature because of the media we consumed and the way we consumed it. We struggled to make friends and only found acceptance with our fellow nerds. It's one of the reasons why some of this has changed, but look at how the "popular" and "normal" people talk about the "nerds" on a show like Big Bang Theory. While some of the stigma is gone, the overall tone remains one of derision.
A lot of us that are now adults still carry the scars we got growing up a
nerd. And some of those scars go a lot deeper than one might suspect. Being a nerd, in a lot of ways, became a part of your identity. It was something that we had to learn to accept. Some of us embraced it regardless of the scorn it brought us. It was the thing that we felt made us unique, and it was also the thing that we felt forced us to be alone. I know that might sound a little melodramatic, but it's actually very true.
Though the next bit of this is anecdotal, I strongly suspect it is something that many others can relate to. In my own family, my enjoyment of action figures and collecting is still considered a sign of immaturity. When I initially decided to join the 501st Legion, my family thought I'd lost my mind. To this day, when people find out that I wear a Star Wars costume, the eye rolls are easily predictable. That I do so primarily for children's charity events does nothing to mitigate the perception that I must clearly be immature and a bit out of touch with reality.
This is now, in an age when being a nerd is considered somewhat cool. This is at the crest of the convention and cosplay boom. When the top grossing films for the last several years are all rooted in the comic books I anticipated ridicule for reading, one would expect that the stigmatization would've lessened some.
But old wounds heal slowly. Now, we're expecting the other shoe to drop. We see people who have never read a comic book talking about the characters we were teased for enjoying. We see our subculture being co-opted by the jocks that would bully us. There exists a divide between fans of comic book movies and fans of comic books today. And a big part of that divide is caused by a lack of trust.
We are waiting for the next big thing to come along so that we can find ourselves the subject of one big societal prank. And the reason is because it wouldn't be the first time. This is why those of us who had to live with the discrimination, who had to put up with society mocking us until technology finally caught up to our imaginations enough that we were able to let people see what we had really been enjoying all along, this is why we have a hard time with those who didn't earn their stripes. There's a part of us that doesn't trust them to really be our friends.
Theoretically, this is also why "nerdgirls" have to prove it. Nerds were never popular. Girls wouldn't give us the time of day. Watch any show starring nerds and see how fast you lose track of the number of "virgin" jokes that get made. Far too many of us have stories about that pretty girl we liked who would only pretend to think we were worth talking to when they were getting help with their homework. Some of us knew when we were getting played, but we didn't care because at least there was a girl paying attention to us for a little bit.
So when a pretty woman starts talking about being a nerd, this is why the response is "prove it". It's not because we want to be sexist or discriminatory. But we developed a defense mechanism that doesn't let us get our hopes up that we might actually be able to connect, on any level with a woman. (No, I'm not going to go into the idea that we are only interested in connecting physically here, that's a whole other series of conversations.) In typical nerd fashion, we don't necessarily manage to communicate well. It's not that we need to see someone prove they are legitimately nerds. We want to know if we can actually trust them.
We want to know if this is a safe person. We want to know if we can honestly be ourselves around them without worrying about being judged or mocked. We want to know if we've actually found someone it's okay to try and connect with regarding something that really is a core/defining part of our identity. I'm not saying it's right, but I also think that the divide between old school nerds and new wave nerds, and the distrust of the opposite sex when it comes to this topic is perhaps a bit more understandable.
Good post, Daniel. I does seem like the people who have criticized this haven't actually read it.
ReplyDeleteArrgh. So I just wrote an interesting comment/question to this and my computer timed out on me. Basically, I was saying how I had just had this conversation with Lawrence yesterday about how I feel like a huge poser when it comes to comic books since I have only been interested in them for the last 12 years or so. Honestly, that was more to do with not having them around growing up than anything. Even as a nerd (how do you define that?) in my own right, I still feel out of place when it comes to discussing comic books and anything related to them such as characters, tv shows, films, and such since I have not been a life-long fan. But should I feel shy about it or should I engage myself in the conversation as a new fan and maybe bring something new to the table while also learning about the history of the character?
ReplyDeleteHow do I define nerd? It used to be a lot simpler definition that's for certain. In a subculture that has splintered so much and transitioned from the fringe to the mainstream, the definition I think is presently in a state of flux. I was here using it to refer to those who consume comics and sci-fi somewhat voraciously. Admittedly, there are entire categories of "nerd" left out by that definition. As to should you feel shy... Approaching someone from the perspective of, I want to learn more, where do I start isn't something that you should feel shy about ever. Trying to bring something new to the table... that one I'm sorry to say you might want to know the nerd before jumping in on. I'd like to believe that we've gotten to the point where someone can talk about a character using their experiences even if they are fairly limited, but I hear tell that there are others out there that will still enjoy "schooling the newb" so perhaps gauge the person you're talking with first, just to save yourself some hassle.
DeleteJust because you added the phrase "I'm not saying it's right," does not negate everything that you wrote. You just said that you support and participate in the behavior. No one, including women, should have to prove their nerd-ism so that you can feel comfortable. Accusing others of being inferior fans because they aren't as knowledgeable as you are, just to protect against the possibility of you getting your feelings hurt is ridiculous and a great way to alienate people who might be new to the scene.
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DeleteI don't believe I said anywhere that I support and participate in this behavior. I said I think I may understand this behavior, there is a difference there. It appears I may have shifted voices from the anecdotal to the theoretical starting with paragraph 9. I will add the word "Theoretically" to clarify the shift in voice. To my knowledge, no nerd girl has ever had to prove anything to me. The only time I really tend to tout my "nerd-level" if you will is when I encounter someone that is trying to drag down other fans for not being the proper version of nerd at which point I am more than comfortable putting them in their place for being the jerk they are being.
DeleteA friend of mine passed this on to me, saying you might want feedback from some real nerd ladies. Hi. My name is Jackie. Gamer tag: Phoenexx (XBL, Origin, Steam), Ph0enexx (PSN) -- I'm not the Phoenexx on WOW, I can't play that, I'd never have a life. I began coding when I was a kid on my dad's Commodore 64 and wanted to work in Mission Control when I was a kid. I know a smattering of C++, Java, and Basic (working on Python right now) and studied both computer science and physics in school. I have many comics, but I prefer indie comics (or Dark Horse because of all the Star Wars). My favorite X-Man is New Gen NYX (otherwise known as X-23), but prior to her, I was a Rogue fan. The psychological implications of that kind of situation...anyway...to my feedback.
ReplyDeleteI think it's sweet you think that "prove it" comes from a place of awe rather than being an attempt to alienate women to keep up the "boy's club," and that might be true, if you were born in the 50s. If you weren't born in the 50s, and happen to be a child of the 80s and 90s like me, there is no way this can be true. I went to computer camp and science camp and Pokemon card tourneys when I was a kid, and half of the group would be female. I never felt in the minority until guys could connect to me anonymously to play games. As soon as they couldn't see my face, I was treated horribly and told to "prove it." Prove what? That I started coding when I was 5 on a Commodore? That I regularly design RPGs or that I tend to play them for 300+ hours each? That I've beaten all the Halo games on Legendary? That I've written interactive narrative and written academic papers on multilinear storylines and the usefulness of video games as a tool for explaining social and news issues?
I understand if I was in my 60s and looking back on a life where I had to fight my way through the tech fields, but I don't have to. The women before me did that. Now, I'm just trying to deal with "proving myself" to little boys who have learned entitlement through this boy's club culture. Why should I have to prove myself to a person just because he is a male? I've got more experience with tech in my pinkie than most of these "boys club" guys will have their entire lives, but because I'm a girl, I have to prove it? Why aren't they proving themselves to me? I've been judged by people who have played a few sports games as "not a nerd," or by people who just happen to like one fandom or who just got into the culture. Why don't they feel the need to prove it to me? Oh, well, I guess that's because I accept them, whether they're new or old, I'm just happy they enjoy the world. They more money they spend, the more great new things I'll get to see produced. Sure, most people are nowhere near as hardcore as I am about these things, but they don't have to be for me to consider them my people, regardless of how many times I get picked on or harassed online for my gender.
I shouldn't have to prove I exist. I do. I shouldn't have someone question core elements of my personality just for existing near them. It shouldn't even be a thought . . . especially from anyone born after 1973.
My opinion.
I just noticed this and thought it was interesting. I unconsciously qualified my nerd-worthiness to you, describing what I do and what I love. I shouldn't naturally do that. It's second nature for me to describe my "cred" whenever talking with a fellow (male) nerd. I never do it with females. Just food for thought.
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